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Title: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Klovan on August 11, 2004, 02:17:55 am
In other browsers than IE, I cannot play video's. In tried in the newest versions of Opera and Firefox.
These browsers all say they need a plugin, but I have the plugins installed (Windows mediaplayer, Quicktime)

I've tried to see the video's on many other pc's, so I think it cannot be a fault in my PC.

See the images what message the browsers displayed.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: omniscientdeveloper on August 11, 2004, 03:40:13 am
I'll look into it.


-omni
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Klovan on October 21, 2004, 03:07:59 pm
What is the status of this 'bug'.

I Updated my version of Coppermine to 1.32 and the problem is still there.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 22, 2004, 07:44:20 am
be carefull when shouting "bug"...

Joachim
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Tranz on October 22, 2004, 08:55:23 am
Please post a link to that problem page.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Klovan on October 22, 2004, 03:48:36 pm
be carefull when shouting "bug"...

Joachim
I know, that's why I put two ' with the word


The site: http://fotos.feestcafetoppers.nl/fotos/displayimage.php?album=45&pos=19
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Nibbler on October 22, 2004, 04:22:19 pm
Video plays fine for me - it is simply a matter of getting the right plugins for your setup.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Klovan on October 22, 2004, 04:50:46 pm
Video plays fine for me - it is simply a matter of getting the right plugins for your setup.

Which browser do you use and what are the settings?

I tried several pc's with firefox 0.10 PR and all gave the same problem.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Casper on October 22, 2004, 04:59:45 pm
I also have this problem with firefox, when trying to view avi files
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Tranz on October 22, 2004, 05:15:57 pm
Me too.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Nibbler on October 22, 2004, 05:23:27 pm
I'm using Firefox 1.0PR using the mplayer plugin under linux.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Casper on October 23, 2004, 06:14:37 pm
OK, I finally got this working, by updating my quicktime player.  I was only 1 minor version short of the latest, but this was enough to cause the problem.

And by going to the firefox forums, I saw this was affecting other users, not just coppermine users.

So it seems firefox version 1.0PR will only display avi files with the latest quicktime installed, even though on my pc wmp is the default player for these files, and I have the latest version of that as well (version 10)
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Klovan on October 24, 2004, 03:35:39 pm
Firefox uses Quicktime to play avi-files. You have to got the latest version of Quicktime and you have to have the right settings in the mime-settings of Quicktime.

In QuickTime, go to Edit > Preferences > QT Preferences > Browser Plug-in > MIME Settings

And with all that it works  :)   Thx Casper (http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/worshippy.gif)
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: kegobeer on October 24, 2004, 06:22:27 pm
Quote
Firefox uses Quicktime to play avi-files.

Not correct.  Firefox looks at the file type and the default program that opens it.  If you have Quicktime on your system, and it's set as the default AVI player, that's what Firefox uses.  You can easily change that in Tools->Options->Downloads.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Casper on October 24, 2004, 09:35:38 pm
Hi Dave,

on my system I have windows media player (version 10) as the default player for avi files.  I have Firefox 1.0PR as my default browser.

But firefox will not play avi files on my pc in WMP.  And it would not work until I updated quicktime.  It now plays avi files using that, even though, as I said, it is not set as the player for these files.

And as you can see by this pic, firefox is set to use the default player for avi files.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: kegobeer on October 25, 2004, 01:33:11 am
I see what you mean, Casper.  There is no AVI plug-in for Firefox when using Windows Media Player.  The Mozilla forums have no useful information on them about this issue.  Seems like the only way to play AVI files is to have Quicktime or some other video player installed.

Of course, you shouldn't really be uploading AVI files anyway - it's a format best used during the capturing and editing phase because the file isn't compressed when it's saved.  After the last edit, the file should be converted into a final product, like MPEG1/2, MOV, or WMV, which typically has a smaller file size and is more appropriate for the web.  Just my 2 cents.

Still doesn't solve the plug-in issue though.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Casper on October 25, 2004, 11:54:12 am
Of course, you shouldn't really be uploading AVI files anyway - it's a format best used during the capturing and editing phase because the file isn't compressed when it's saved.  After the last edit, the file should be converted into a final product, like MPEG1/2, MOV, or WMV, which typically has a smaller file size and is more appropriate for the web.  Just my 2 cents.

I fully agree, but there's an awful lot of people out there uploading them onto their websites.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: kegobeer on October 25, 2004, 01:23:25 pm
Well, until Firefox does something about the AVI plug-in, hopefully users will search the forums for AVI and find this thread.  At least they'll know it isn't a Coppermine problem.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: vlada on February 19, 2005, 01:39:18 am
AVI is not a compression, it is a container which can contain a lot of different compressions inside (DivX, XviD, Indeo, DV, MJPEG, HuffYUV - MP2, MP3, AAC, AC3 etc). It is the most widely used and supported format. But it also has a lot of drawbacks. The original deffinition AVI 1.0 is very old and the new AVI 2.0 OpenDML specification is not always supported. Also MPEG-4 compression with b-frames inside AVI container causes problems.

Anyway I would avoid using proprietary formats such as WMV, MOV or RM. Btw. in MOV container you can have the same compressions as in AVI - MJPEG or MPEG-4 for example. I would suggest using MKV (matroska) or MP4 (only for MPEG-4 video/audio) containers. They seem to be the most progressive ones.

I have problems playing AVI files in all browsers I have. They are standard OpenDML AVI with XviD/MP3. Explorer loads the movie, but only sound is played. It loads FFDShow video decoder, but won't display any picture. After the playback Explorer crashes... Firefox probably starts a video plugin, but nothing happens. I tried VLC and QT plugins with no succes. Opera says it is missing a plugin, I'll do some more investigation and I'll let you know the results.

Anyway I think it would be a good idea to have on the page a link to download the movie file.

Vlada
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: vlada on February 19, 2005, 12:35:59 pm
I finally made it work using VLC plugin v0.81. Version 0.8 didn't work, but the latest version works for me in Opera and Mozilla. There is no plugin for IE and WMP 10 doesn't work, even as a standalone player. And as usual in MS products, you cannot uninstall it. So I can't return to WMP 9. But I don't care too much, because I don't normally use IE and WMP.

Vlada
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: ryanrlamothe on February 23, 2005, 02:57:37 pm
This is a BUG whether the developers like it or not.  If I had more time I would love to help you out, but right now I do not.  I have a brand new installation of Coppermine 1.3.2.  Videos will not play in Mozilla 1.7.3, Opera 7.54, or Firefox 1.0.  The videos play perfectly in Internet Explorer.  This has been tested on numerous computers on numerous different platforms including Windows, Linux, and Mac OS 9.2/X.  All of the browsers simply display the 'missing plugin' page.


And on a side note, an AVI is a file container, not an uncompressed video format.  An AVI file container has no direct relation to the video inside of it.  An AVI file container can contain any form of uncompressed/compressed video.  This is exactly the same as Quicktime MOV file containers.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Joachim Müller on February 23, 2005, 06:31:22 pm
And on a side note, an AVI is a file container, not an uncompressed video format.  An AVI file container has no direct relation to the video inside of it.  An AVI file container can contain any form of uncompressed/compressed video.  This is exactly the same as Quicktime MOV file containers.
Right, nobody doubted this afaik.

This is a BUG whether the developers like it or not.  If I had more time I would love to help you out, but right now I do not.  I have a brand new installation of Coppermine 1.3.2.  Videos will not play in Mozilla 1.7.3, Opera 7.54, or Firefox 1.0.  The videos play perfectly in Internet Explorer.  This has been tested on numerous computers on numerous different platforms including Windows, Linux, and Mac OS 9.2/X.  All of the browsers simply display the 'missing plugin' page.
Wrong: how should a server-sided application be to blame if a client-sided app doesn't have what it takes to display multimedia? By definition, a www-browser is meant to capable of reading and displaying HTML, JavaScript, CSS and some graphic formats (like jpeg, gif and to limited extent png). If you want it to display other content (e.g. a flash file), you need a flash player installed on your OS and your browser has to "know" about the installed flash player. The same thing applies to any other multimedia content.
You should be more carefull when shouting out loud "BUG!": you have to make sure you have understood the basic principles behind server applications and client software, and the interdependancies between OS, browser, third-party software and plugins.
I am very well capable to display multimedia content using an "out-of-the-box" version of Firefox (I never install plugins on the box I use for development), so you have to ask yourself what kind of multimedia content you were trying to display; after all you probably have given yourself the answer already: avi files (along with several other multimedia file formats) are just containers; a codec has to reside on the client to enable it to play the multimedia file...

However, I would like to hear what makes you think that this is a "bug" in coppermine, and what you would be changing in the code then to remove the bug.

Joachim
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: ryanrlamothe on February 23, 2005, 06:40:47 pm
Wrong:  I have other multimedia galleries working just fine "out of the box" on all of the tested machines with all plug-ins properly installed.  I installed Coppermine 1.3.2 last week "out of the box" and the non-photo files do not work.  That is a bug in Coppermine.  Would you like me to clarify that for you any further?
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Joachim Müller on February 23, 2005, 06:44:09 pm
yes please, post deep links to the same files within coppermine and the other app, so we can check.

Joachim
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: ryanrlamothe on February 23, 2005, 07:04:52 pm
Coppermine is the only photo gallery I have available to the public.  In your case, to test other publically available non-Coppermine websites, it is simple enough to go to any website such as www.apple.com, www.cnn.com, etc. which contains embedded video and audio.  As a developer, logically if a user can watch embedded video on every other website except Coppermine, then the problem lies with Coppermine and not the user.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: Joachim Müller on February 24, 2005, 09:38:22 am
with an out-of-the-box install of firefox I was not able to view any videos on the CNN website. Review your attitude, don't take things for granted which aren't. The only video format all browsers are able to play out-of-the-box are animated GIFs. This discussion is leading nowhere, so if you think this is a bug in coppermine, then it's fine by me if you have this opinion - I just know better. Let's see some code from you to fix this so-called bug. If you can't come up with some code, I suggest you just accept the fact that you might be wrong.

Joachim
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: omniscientdeveloper on March 01, 2005, 01:32:32 pm
There was kind of an issue with Coppermine displaying some multimedia files in non-IE browsers. The reason this was is because it just spit out an object or embed tag without any information about the mime type of the file or which player to use. This has be mostly fixed in the upcoming release, but there are still some intermittent problems with AVI files. In those cases, installing the latest version of Quicktime usually fixed it.

....All of this I've posted on the board before.
Title: Re: Video doesn't work in other browser then IE
Post by: vlada on March 03, 2005, 01:19:15 am
omniscientdeveloper> AFAIK the QuickTime player can't play XviD compressed AVIs. There will be most likely the same problem with DivX or MPEG-4 AVC (Nero Digital, x264) movies.  Although it is an MPEG-4 compression, which should be supported in QT. The VLC plugin for Mozilla/Opera works fine for me. But because there are and always will be many problems with displaying movies I would suggest this:
Instead of trying to play the movie, I would show a thumbnail of it with 2 links below:
1) Play the movie
2) Download the movie
So if anyone can't play (or display) a file in his browser, they should be allowed to download it and play it offline.