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No Support => General discussion (no support!) => Topic started by: maciek on September 27, 2003, 02:21:40 pm

Title: New logo
Post by: maciek on September 27, 2003, 02:21:40 pm
The look of the standard logo didn't mix well with our site design, so we've created a new one and thought we'd share it with you:

(http://mil-sim.net/modules/coppermine/themes/default/images/site_logo.png)

Also, we'd like to make the logo clickable so that it points to this website (coppermine.sf.net). Is there a template that we need to edit to accomplish that?

Larger, traditional version:

(http://mil-sim.net/a/folder_coppermine_large.png)

In PNG format, editable in Macromedia Fireworks (with layers, etc.)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on September 27, 2003, 02:30:01 pm
Cool Logo

For linking it to Coppermine site you will have to edit the template.html
Code: [Select]
<a href="index.php"><img src="themes/default/images/site_logo.png" alt="" border="0" />
Look for a line like above and change the index.php to http://coppermine.sf.net
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: maciek on September 27, 2003, 02:36:49 pm
Thank you! Also, check out the larger version posted above.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Oasis on September 27, 2003, 03:17:49 pm
wow what a wonderful logo..
do you mind if I use it on my site? It will look like this:
http://photo.enctu.org/
The site is currently under final testing, and will be a free photo album service for students of National Chiao Tung University in Taiwan.
I would truly appreciate it if you could let us use it~  :P
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on September 27, 2003, 05:28:34 pm
thanks for the the logo - as I pointed out in http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=8 , we could also use some other graphics ressources, like banners and buttons *hint*... :wink:

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on September 27, 2003, 06:24:50 pm
Quote from: "gaugau"
we could also use some other graphics ressources, like banners and buttons *hint*... :wink:

more hints  :wink:  :wink:  Banners and small 80x31 buttons
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on September 27, 2003, 06:34:48 pm
precisely!
This is what we need:
- button 80 x 31
- button 88 x 31
- mini-banner 156x60
- half-size banner 234x60
- full-size banner 468x60

don't over-animate (if at all), please!

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on September 29, 2003, 11:05:40 am
@maciek:
your logo is truly much better than the old one; I changed it on the board - thank you.
Could you also do the buttons in a similar way?

Thanks again

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: maciek on September 29, 2003, 03:04:34 pm
Hehe, I didn't expect you'd like it so much :) Yes, you can use it, and I'll try doing the banners/buttons in near future (I'm quite busy at the moment).
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: maciek on September 30, 2003, 02:35:15 pm
Umm, are there any existing banners or buttons I could look at?
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on September 30, 2003, 06:02:06 pm
no, you're totally free to design something new :wink:

GauGau
Title: Coppermine Logo
Post by: Sogeri on October 04, 2003, 07:14:24 am
What is the font name used for the Coppermine logo? To me somehow the letters don't look right on the new logo used on this board. Isn't there a better slogan than 'your online photo album'? Who would set these parameters? Like font name to be used and slogan?
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 04, 2003, 07:23:34 am
forgot to upload a sample logo with another font face:

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo_whb.jpg)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 04, 2003, 07:32:39 am
The corners are too rounded for my liking
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 04, 2003, 07:55:32 am
Tarique,

the shape of the corners are easy to change. I was more concerned about the name of the font face and the slogan (like: premier php photo gallery) to agree upon. The rest is not hard.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 04, 2003, 08:07:32 am
ummm... "your online photo album" as  a slogan is good enough for now.
Title: some more samples
Post by: Sogeri on October 04, 2003, 08:41:08 am
here are a couple of samples with less rounded corners:

one showing some 'copper' in the name and the other with simple black lettering
(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo_whb1.jpg)
(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo_whb.jpg)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 04, 2003, 08:46:09 am
rather than changing the image file name I overwrote the one with the 'too rounded corners' and so it does not show any more, sorry!
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 04, 2003, 09:09:32 am
Actually this image
(http://mil-sim.net/a/folder_coppermine_large.png)
I like best in terms of fonts and effects - if you can just get the antialiasing on the border of corners right this design is perfect IMO.  

Just use black for  "Coppermine"  and the old slogan  - we will let the users decide on the premier part....

What are you using for creation of images? The bevel on your new image doesn't look right - it is getting cut off on the corners

BUT hey this is just my  opinion

Tarique

P.S. Damn I am now tempted to try my hand at this ....
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 04, 2003, 01:03:25 pm
for these 'quicky' samples I used Photoshop. For better looking round corners it is best to use Adobe Illustrator as it can create vector based graphics that won't show jagged edges.

I quote from the Adobe Illustrator description of vector graphics:

"A vector graphic is resolution-independent--that is, it can be scaled to any size and printed on any output device at any resolution without losing its detail or clarity. As a result, vector graphics are the best choice for type (especially small type) and bold graphics that must retain crisp lines when scaled to various sizes--for example, logos."

If you want me to 'clean up' your present logo please tell me the name of the font face used. I have thousands of fonts and can find the exact font.

And is the 'your' in 'your online photo album' supposed to be red and the rest orange?
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 04, 2003, 01:50:13 pm
here is one made with Adobe Illustrator

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_297x72px.jpg)

converting a vector based graphic to a web image format (bit map) will cause some 'jagging' of round shapes
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Oasis on October 04, 2003, 06:00:35 pm
Not to be rude or anything, but I prefer the current logo. First, It looks much cleaner without all those shadows and stuff. Also, the proportions seem right.

Finally, I think the major change in the logo is the picture on the left, which IMO is excellent. I think that should be considered maciek's intellectual property and I don't think it's polite to go around modifying something that somebody else created. How would you feel if someone tried changing your work of art and tried to replace it? I know maciek won't mind us using this logo, since he has already made it clear that he made this for coppermine, but please show some respect when using his work. If you have some comments on his logo, why don't you contact him directly and give him your suggestions on improving it, instead of posting here. No matter how many things you dislike about the current logo, it is still somebody else's work, and we should all learn to respect that. Right?  :wink:
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 04, 2003, 06:11:13 pm
Quote from: "oasis"
No matter how many things you dislike about the current logo, it is still somebody else's work, and we should all learn to respect that. Right?  :wink:

Right!

In fact it took me a while to realise that the new logo was not the work of the original artist. Though maciek placed this in an implied Creative Commons license it would have been best if he was consulted...

That brings me to the point

maciek can I have the logo in the original format - what did you use?

I want to play with it....
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 05, 2003, 01:12:26 am
:oops:  ah well, I was only trying to help and inject some thoughts into this. Perhaps you can't see the white 'spots' under the first 'p' and the 'e' in 'Coppermine' and the white spots at the bottom of the photos and magnifying glass in the present logo. And maciek said himself that he was surprised that you liked it so much.

I thought you were looking for input from those interested. In no way did I intend to infringe on anyones 'intellectual property'.

Perhaps I can't understand English too well,  as it is not my native language, but GauGau posted several messages inviting people to help design banners and buttons. Perhaps you should make it clear what the criteria are and that you may want input only from certain people!

This is what GauGau wanted:

This is what we need:
- button 80 x 31
- button 88 x 31
- mini-banner 156x60
- half-size banner 234x60
- full-size banner 468x60

The current logo is 297 x 72 pixels! So, where does that fit in?
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 05, 2003, 04:08:32 am
Instead of trying to modify - why dont you make a completely new design?

It is not the question of only certain people being allowed - it is question of what is right
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 05, 2003, 12:56:04 pm
" it is question of what is right"

why don't we get some input from maciek on this subejct. we are only taking about a simple logo, not the creation of a 'nulclear warhead'. the job to make a logo takes 5 to 10 minutes at the most!

I was only trying to improve some of the flaws in maciek's design. that did not mean to shoot him down and certainly not deprive him of his 'intellectual property'.

with your kind of silly comments I am not going to be a supporter but just a user. don't even bother to reply!
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: KeyLargo on October 05, 2003, 05:54:22 pm
Quote from: "oasis"
Finally, I think the major change in the logo is the picture on the left, which IMO is excellent. I think that should be considered maciek's intellectual property

It cannot be considered maciek's intellectual property since this is simply Apple's Preview application's icon (from Mac OS X)... You can see the icon on the right side of this page :

http://www.apple.com/macosx/panther/
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 05, 2003, 06:13:02 pm
Quote from: "KeyLargo"
It cannot be considered maciek's intellectual property since this is simply Apple's Preview application's icon (from Mac OS X)... You can see the icon on the right side of this page


Hey thanks for pointing out - I guess then it will be *owned* by Apple...

Gaugau - please remove the Logo and put the old one back - we cannot have it if parts of it are copy righted / obviously used without permission :(
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 05, 2003, 10:12:31 pm
done - the old logo is in place...

@all: we could still need your participation with graphics, but please make sure that you do not use other material than your own, especially not copyrighted material - it'll be discovered sooner or later.

GauGau
Title: some graphics by dale
Post by: dale on October 05, 2003, 10:15:45 pm
Noticed you were looking for some graphics, so I hit up some of my old graphics and photos and played around in Photoshop. Let me know if this is the kind of stuff your looking for. (all original work) Font is Ghicago.

(http://dalesforum.com/graphics/logo1.gif)
468x60

(http://dalesforum.com/graphics/logo2.gif)
300x60

(http://dalesforum.com/graphics/logo3.gif)
Simple :wink:
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 06, 2003, 04:09:39 am
Yes this is the kind of stuff we are looking for... Thanks

I would however prefer variety in pictures eg: 1 car, 1 animal/flower, 1 monument instead of all 4 of people
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: dale on October 06, 2003, 08:49:35 am
Yea your right about the photos. I added some new stuff to the above pics (you may need to refresh your page). I dont mind making other changes if you want to see something different.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 06, 2003, 01:35:00 pm
Nice, but again I must ask whatsoftware are you using - the corners are not smooth ly anitaliased - not a big deal BUT if they can be helped it would be great

I wish others would also commment on the banners
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Zarsky on October 06, 2003, 03:27:57 pm
I think it would be cool of the "Copper" text was .... you know.... colored copper.  I am a terrible judge of art, but I prefer simplicity over flashiness.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: dale on October 06, 2003, 08:39:55 pm
Using Photoshop. I added a bit more radius to the corners.

Might look cool with the 'Copper' copper, but I dont think I could come up with a color or texture that would look right.

If you want to play with the .psd files you can get 'em at:
http://dalesforum.com/graphics/
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Zarsky on October 06, 2003, 08:45:43 pm
One other suggestion....I am not a big fan of the current text "Your photo's on your website".  I cannot think of anything better right now, but for some reason it seems too wordy.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: dale on October 06, 2003, 08:53:52 pm
I think I would leave exact wording up to you guys. Its sort of a personal preference. I added a link to the .psd's above, feel free to edit the text to your liking.

Maybe something like.

- Your PHP photo gallery
- Your online photo album
or so on. Could be cool but you should decide in the end.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: jasendorf on October 06, 2003, 09:00:01 pm
How about

"Your Website, Your Photos"



"Your online photo album" isn't exactly true anymore... it's more like "Your superdy duper online photo management system and kitchen sink!"
Title: logo
Post by: joelpt on October 07, 2003, 02:23:02 am
(http://www.bumpus.org/coppermine.gif)

May not be quite within the tastes of a "generic" audience, but was having a little fun and thought I'd post it.  The "eye" graphic is a shameless web rip, but permission may possibly be gotten for its use, and it's not a tough one to replace if not.

Joel
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Zarsky on October 07, 2003, 02:29:14 am
Oooh I like it....one suggestion...can you make the eye a bit lighter green or maybe blue?  I love it though.....You got my vote so far.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Oasis on October 07, 2003, 04:53:00 am
oh damn they just keep getting better and better.  :D
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 07, 2003, 05:35:43 am
Good effort - may be you can tell the other designers how to get the antialiasing so perfect...

How about one replacing eye with a camera
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 07, 2003, 08:45:09 am
Why not stick to the right sizes when creating logos?

Like 468 x 60 pixles?

One in PNG format (30kb)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo.png)

And the same in JPG format (much smaller file size 12kb)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo_whb.jpg)

The flower is a section of Illustrators stock images free for the public to use. The font is Moonbeam.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 07, 2003, 09:25:52 am
Quote from: "Sogeri"
Why not stick to the right sizes when creating logos?
Like 468 x 60 pixles?

True - a point well made :)

Your samples are very beautiful - can we have the PHP Web Gallery in a more visible color

Folks comment on these please
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: jack on October 07, 2003, 10:14:16 am
I like that also.

I think it would be better if you removed the stalk from the flower, because it looks odd just chopped like that, and it is also difficult to see the 'n' in front of it.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: kegobeer on October 07, 2003, 05:17:51 pm
I like it.  I agree with jack, the stalk makes it hard to see the n.  I don't think the image will be hurt if the stalk is removed.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: dale on October 07, 2003, 06:43:24 pm
Sorgeri I like the design, very professional looking. That is an awesome font, and a nice blend. :D

joelpt, nice design, the eye is a bit distracting from the text, which is the real statement. Eyes will always draw attention.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 08, 2003, 02:06:13 am
Here some more samples for discussion:

Banner 468 x 60 pixels
(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo_whb2.jpg)
Banner 234 x 60 pixels
(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo_234px2.jpg)
Banner 234 x 60 pixels
(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/coppermine_logo_234px.jpg)

[size=9]NB: Although this is my original work I claim NO 'intellectual property' rights on any of this. I just want to give something back to the group.[/size]
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: kegobeer on October 08, 2003, 02:20:41 am
Outstanding!  The 468x60 image looks better now that the text isn't interefered with.  I especially like the 3d text effect on the 2nd logo.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: moorey on October 08, 2003, 05:42:18 am
Very nice - well done.  Make sure the rounded corners are transparent. The "3D" text could do with a darker outline/shadow.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: maciek on October 08, 2003, 07:21:46 am
Sogeri: that's just amazing!

Can I make some suggestions?

Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: maciek on October 08, 2003, 07:33:37 am
It's in PNG format, with layers and all that, created using a licenced copy of Macromedia Fireworks. Font name is Square 721 BT, I have the permission to use it. Using White(tm) and Black(tm) colours, and True Orange(tm), used under licence from Mother Nature, Inc.

With AA, as per request:

(http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/folder_coppermine_aa.png)

Variations:

(http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/mycoppermine.png)

(http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/folder_coppermine_nuvola.png)

(Nuvola for KDE icons set)

(http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/folder_coppermine_steel.png)

(Steel for KDE icons set)

Older versions to play with:

(http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/folder_coppermine_large.png)

And a variation of the above:

(http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/folder_coppermine_large_var.png)

Mini:

(http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/coppermine_mini_blue.png) (http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/coppermine_mini_blue2.png) (http://maciek.mil-sim.net/stuff/coppermine_stamp.png)

Licence:

I hereby grant You a permission to use and creative derivative works of the Coppermine logos created by Author for any purpose, for the lifetime of Coppermine project and its derivatives.

Where You refers to anyone using/modifying these pictures.

Author:

Maciek Plewa (milsim at mil dash sim dot net)
Military Research and Simulations Initiative

Using an icon created and owned by Hein Mevissen (not Apple), distributed as freeware. Permission to use is granted as long as no compensation is requested for the icon itself.

I hope it's clear enough :)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 08, 2003, 07:33:58 am
Here the same images in PNG format, supposedly 'transparent'. Depending on the background they will appear transparent. True tranparency can only be achieved in GIF format but then the images lose a lot as most colors are stripped out. I can make them with white, black and Coppermine blue backgrounds.

Anyway, here they are, one with a darker outline of the 3D text.
banner 468 x 60 pixels
(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo_468px_trans.png)

banner 234 x 60 pixels

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo_234px_trans.png)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo2_234px_trans.png)

I think that in the end all logos will have to be uniform, not some with 3D text and some without. But I am happy to make those as well. Like this one:
(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo2_468px_trans.png)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 08, 2003, 08:16:47 am
I worked out a way to make the images transparent in GIF without losing too much definition. Have a look and let me know:

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo_468px2_trans.gif)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo_234px_trans.gif)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo_234px2_trans.gif)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 08, 2003, 08:39:23 am
Maciek,

thanks. Glad you like it. I moved the "PHP Web Gallery" a bit to the left and darkened the shadow.

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_logo_234px2_trans.gif)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: maciek on October 08, 2003, 11:11:02 am
Hmm... there's still too little contrast between dark orange and pink. What if you changed "PHP gallery" to blue? Sorry for nitpicking...

BTW, GIF is the best choice because IE doesnt display transparent PNGs well.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Oasis on October 08, 2003, 12:32:31 pm
Great work sogeri!
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 08, 2003, 02:00:44 pm
I don't take it as nitpicking. Just working to the final version taking in every ones views. After all everyone is supposed to be kind of happy with it. 'PHP Web Gallery' changed to blue!

Okay, here are the latest GIF versions. Seems that since PNG formated images don't show right in IE we might as well forget that one.

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_banner3_468px_trans.gif)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_banner_468px_trans.gif)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_banner_234px_3_trans.gif)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_banner_234px_3.gif)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 08, 2003, 02:41:56 pm
Just to add to the confusion this one:

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_banner3_468px.gif)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: gtroll on October 08, 2003, 03:12:12 pm
my two cents... :wink:
I like the letters fatter.
The last of that series of four looks a little anemic...
With the first font the shadowed text looks better.
In the last one if the body of the letters was round out rather than grooved in and PHP Web Gallery in blue, I would say that might the best yet..
Although the flower does look pretty sharp... I like the camera idea more than the flower. It's more inclusive than a flower (we all take pictures with a camera but not all take pics of flowers)...could we get a sharper or realistic  looking camera maybe?
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Zarsky on October 08, 2003, 03:17:29 pm
maciek,

Looks good and thanks for the clarification on the copyrights.  I like them all....I especially like the mini's.....so cute  :)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Jeremy on October 08, 2003, 03:26:17 pm
Hi Everyone,

I've been watching some of the logo designs on this board and while they are nice and colorfull to look at... they are very lacking as usable logos, in the real world of logos.

A good logo should be simplistic..easily regognized and usable in many sizes from large to small and from web graphics to print graphics. (The DevTeam may someday want to stick the logo on T-Shirts or hats or posters, not just the website).

Once they have a good base for the main logo, then the logo can be used in many ways with many colorful banners, buttons, fonts or slogan can be built around it.

So here is my idea for the logo following these logo guidelines. It's what I would call a Stage 1 logo, The concept is here and then from this we could then define what fonts to use and what slogon to use.

The camera in the logo is unique, I created in a vector program so it could be used at any size with-out loss of quailty in it's look.

I'm willing to grant it's use for the Coppermine logo if it's wanted.

Let me know what you guys think of it and if you would like to use it or not.

[edit]
Logo Removed!
Good luck on the logo competion everyone. :)
[/edit]

-Jeremy Foster
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Zarsky on October 08, 2003, 03:41:57 pm
Good valid points and arguments.  I also very much like what you have proposed above.  Too be honest, all the excellent logo's will cause a good heated discussion when trying to make a choice.  I really like the simplicity of your examples above.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: jasendorf on October 08, 2003, 03:53:28 pm
Jeremy has a very, very excellent point.  (Jeremy, you must be from either a print background or a sign/banner background!)  Having come from an off-set printing background myself, I should have noticed this much earllier.

Let's think ahead and determine how much of a headache we want in the future.  Single color logos will be much more easily reproduced on myriad items.  Full color logos will be expensive everywhere EXCEPT the web (where color is cheap!  ;) )   Also, if we ever decide to do some type of a watermark feature, a single color logo will transfer into a watermark much more easily.

my 2˘
John
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 08, 2003, 04:15:38 pm
my two cent: I like the 3D-look of the text of sogeri's last addition, but will it work on smaller space (buttons)?

I'll have to start a contest with voting soon; the logo issue is increasing momentum... good.

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: jasendorf on October 08, 2003, 04:42:49 pm
I think we really need to be thinking ahead here.  Jeremy posted a very interesting (and experienced) post (http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=348) on logo design which I think we need to address.

http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=348
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: maciek on October 08, 2003, 08:17:43 pm
I'll just check with icon's author again to make sure it's ok to use it, and I'll post it here.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: joelpt on October 09, 2003, 02:04:07 am
That is an awesome logo.  By far the best so far, IMHO.  I think there is probably a better font out there for it, but the camera graphic is tops.  A (optional) tagline "web photo gallery" or somesuch is probably in order also.

Got any further pointers to logo design "guidelines"?  This is the kind of work I'd love to get into but my skills just aren't there yet.

Joel
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Jeremy on October 09, 2003, 01:46:42 pm
Quote from: "joelpt"

Got any further pointers to logo design "guidelines"?  This is the kind of work I'd love to get into but my skills just aren't there yet.

Joel


Hi Joel,

Just remember to keep it simple in design. In this web age many people/businesses seem to want a "full-color-flash-animated-logo-to-kill-all-competion".

While this may look good on the web with a DSL or cable connection it's not going to work well in print or for those many dial-up internet users.

This doesn't mean you can't have fun with it... I usually start with something that works well on it's own and then build it up from there...(add flash/colors/etc)

Also logos created in a vector program...(such as Illustrator, Freehand, or Croel Draw) are more usuable then anything created in photoshop or some other image program. Vector allows for scaling of the logo with-out loss in quality or pixelating.

Hope this helps in some way  :)

-Jeremy
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: moorey on October 09, 2003, 03:48:57 pm
Well, a generic logo for a generic default theme is fine. Quite like the simplicity so I think it will work. Could give it a little bezel look - I might give it a go.

Full color logo with pictures with all the magics should really be customised work. Each to their own.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 09, 2003, 10:50:35 pm
There are some valid points in what Jeremy wrote but to claim copyright for the example is a bit overboard. After all isn't the Coppermine program FREE??

Then the question of the logo. 'Coppermine' is a word and not a logo. Would the camera then be the Coppermine 'logo'. If so, it is more than 'simplistic'. The word Coppermine can only become a logo if it is shown in a unique kind of type style, like 'Coca-Cola'. As long as it is written in a font that can be obtained anywhere it is not a logo.

Some things should be agreed upon in a 'logo competition', like the color scheme. It appears to me that the present colors used (blue & orange) are actually the colors of the phpBB. Are the two programs related? I think not.

The foregoing is only meant to stimulate discussion!
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Zarsky on October 09, 2003, 10:55:45 pm
First of all logo's canNOT be copyrighted by a group or company, except the creator CAN copyright the "design" of the logo/text....logo's really should be trademarked. Secondly, logo's are not required to be trademarked. Trademarked logo's gather extra protection, but must be filed with the USPTO or some other government tradmark issuing body.  I do not think we will bother trademarking a logo that is selected.  (I could be wrong on that one)  FREE scripts do have COPYRIGHT under the GPL license.  Just because something is free does not mean there is no copyright.  The GPL license spells this out very clearly.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 09, 2003, 11:46:00 pm
Some more samples with a bit of 'copper':

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_b468_5.gif)

(http://www.orchidspng.com/coppermine_dir/images/cm_b234_2.gif)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 09, 2003, 11:52:30 pm
zarsky99 right!

Perhaps the Dev. Team could set out some parameters and make it clear that any logos submitted become 'property' of CPG.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Jeremy on October 10, 2003, 04:26:31 am
In case it was unclear in my post, I didn't try to put a copyright on the word Coppermine or anything of the such.

The copyright I included with the image is there simply to stem off anyone trying to grab the camera graphic and use it as their own. "I, Jeremy Foster" created the camera graphic from scratch. It is mine -logo/graphic or whatever you want to call it. Just as much mine as anything I design or write is mine (websites, logos, graphics, photos, articles, etc...)

If the Coppermine group wants to use it as a logo, great, I'll be glad to give to them to do what ever they want with it, but if they don't, I have other plans for the graphic in my own projects, so therefore I don't want it ripped off.

:roll:  Frankly I thought it would help steer the logo designs into a more usable set of examples instead of this "phpBB banner" type logo stuff. Well whatever..go ahead make your logos and banners, I don't have time to scwable over minute things like this.

Keep up the good work on the script Dev.Team that's what's important (more then any of this logo stuff).

-Jeremy
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 10, 2003, 09:01:39 am
this is what I understood as well from Jeremy's posting: he wanted to point out his graphics weren't just ripped somewhere else, but that the coppermine was allowed to use it as their logo.
I don't understand why the discussion on graphics is so heated - I like all submissions, but personally I'd prefer a simplicistic logo (as the one done by Jeremy).
@all: please keep on working on this, as the quality of all contributions even increases from posting to posting!
In the end, we'll let the users have a say and create a poll, but meanwhile I'd prefer to have less critics on the logo threads and more submissions!

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Sogeri on October 10, 2003, 12:24:55 pm
Gaugau, seems to me that there are a lot of good points being brought forward from all participants BUT unless we get some directions from the Dev. Team it's hard to come up with a good design.

I understand that you need logos in various sizes as posted by yourself. Just the word 'Coppermine' will look kind of lost on a 468 x 60 px banner and so some filler graphic is required.

Perhaps it would be an idea to develop a logo first that will that become part of banners and mini banners rather than the other way round.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 10, 2003, 03:21:06 pm
I'll put this up for discussion with the dev team (I'm not a designer, so it's hard for me to set guidelines on artwork)...

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Tarique Sani on October 10, 2003, 04:47:21 pm
Quote from: "Sogeri"
Perhaps it would be an idea to develop a logo first that will that become part of banners and mini banners rather than the other way round.


This looks like the right path - a logo first, thus it should have
a Symbol + the word Coppermine OR CPG?
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 10, 2003, 07:42:07 pm
hmm, I'm not an graphics artist, so I don't know if this works when made smaller, but how about using a pic of an actual mine as logo (just food for thoughts)? A quick search on google returned:
(http://gaugau.de/partner/cpg/board/screenshots/mine1.jpg)
(http://gaugau.de/partner/cpg/board/screenshots/mine2.jpg)
(http://gaugau.de/partner/cpg/board/screenshots/mine3.jpg)

GauGau
Title: [Merger]
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 10, 2003, 08:57:50 pm
There were several threads, all dealing with logo and design. To keep a better overview I merged them all together in this single thread...

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Oasis on October 10, 2003, 10:02:08 pm
hehe.. i never really understood what coppermine had to do with coppermines...  :)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 12, 2003, 11:37:05 am
as there were questions what text should appear on the banners we discussed this in the dev board and decided that for the moment it should be:
Quote
Coppermine - Your online photo album


GauGau
Title: PNG & another image size
Post by: outerverse on October 13, 2003, 03:23:34 am
Quote from: "Sogeri"
Here the same images in PNG format, supposedly 'transparent'. Depending on the background they will appear transparent. True tranparency can only be achieved in GIF format but then the images lose a lot as most colors are stripped out. I can make them with white, black and Coppermine blue backgrounds.


You're using Internet Explorer aren't you?

There is a DirectX filter built into MSIE that allows TRUE alpha transparency in PNG's.  I'm using it on one of my subdomains as of this post.  There's a DHTML/CSS script to make it for all alpha transparent PNG's. http://www.webfx.nu/dhtml/pngbehavior/pngbehavior.html

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I also want to propose another logo size: 200x40 px.  I've seen a lot of artist sites use this format for their links and though I'd suggest it.
Title: Re: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 26, 2003, 12:23:22 pm
Quote from: "Jeremy"
Hi Everyone,

[...]
[edit]
Logo Removed!
Good luck on the logo competion everyone. :)
[/edit]

-Jeremy Foster
Jeremy,

what happened to your logo? As this topic has somehow "cooled down" I was trying to do a favicon based on your logo, only to find you removed it. Could you repost it or send me the file?

Thanks

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: DJMaze on October 26, 2003, 07:54:11 pm
Here's a more copper look with goldish background.

Now someone put a picture or camera on the right, cos i don't have those transparently.

(http://www.mp3tunes.nl/coppermine/logo.png)

(http://www.mp3tunes.nl/coppermine/logo2.png)
Title: Re: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Jeremy on October 27, 2003, 06:05:53 pm
Quote from: "gaugau"

Jeremy,

what happened to your logo? As this topic has somehow "cooled down" I was trying to do a favicon based on your logo, only to find you removed it. Could you repost it or send me the file?

Thanks

GauGau


Hi GauGau,

Sorry, I was really just getting to much heat for my suggestion..so I have with-drawn it.

keep up the good work on the script....

-Jeremy
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: jasendorf on October 27, 2003, 07:41:41 pm
@Jeremy I think you were doing things in a very straightforward and "correct: way and you got beat up over it...  so you took your ball and went home (which I must say I can't blame you).  I hope you'll get back in the mix.  Come back and play... it's playground rules out here and if you're going to worry about someone not calling their own fouls, you're never gonna get any court time.
Title: Coppery Logos
Post by: libelle on October 30, 2003, 06:08:39 am
OK, I know these aren't really ready for prime-time, but I wanted to see if anyone thought this was a direction worth pursuing before I put more time into it.

The idea is that the logotype is actually stamped into a sheet of copper, or an inset put into a metal bar.

Let me know if I should play more with these ... or if I should just scrap the direction. I'm accustoimed to harsh criticism, so don't worry about sparing my feelings :)

(http://www.webbwerks.com/cmlogo2.jpg)
(http://www.webbwerks.com/cmlogo3.jpg)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on October 30, 2003, 07:15:41 am
I like the second one, although the small text isn't readible that good - maybe if you keep the small text neither inset nor outset? The copper/gold looks fine to me...

GauGau
Title: Yet another attempt
Post by: libelle on October 31, 2003, 05:48:41 am
OK. Here's another attempt. Changes? Suggestions?

(http://www.webbwerks.com/cmlogo4a.jpg)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: John on November 10, 2003, 04:15:09 am
Quote from: "gaugau"
hmm, I'm not an graphics artist, so I don't know if this works when made smaller, but how about using a pic of an actual mine as logo (just food for thoughts)? A quick search on google returned:
(http://gaugau.de/partner/cpg/board/screenshots/mine1.jpg)
(http://gaugau.de/partner/cpg/board/screenshots/mine2.jpg)
(http://gaugau.de/partner/cpg/board/screenshots/mine3.jpg)

GauGau


Actual mines? okay using one of the pictures you posted...

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine7.gif)

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine10.gif)

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine8.gif)

however these are fairly basic, and made in about 1 minute on a flat panel so theyre probably darker than what I am looking at now. These are my contribution though.
Title: Re: Yet another attempt
Post by: John on November 10, 2003, 05:05:28 am
Quote from: "libelle"
OK. Here's another attempt. Changes? Suggestions?

(http://www.webbwerks.com/cmlogo4a.jpg)


I would suggest rounded corners (easy take 4 seconds) and saving it as a gif with a lossy of 10 or so, you can probably shave this file down to about 11k and not notice quality loss (in its present state)
Title: Re: Yet another attempt
Post by: libelle on November 12, 2003, 07:01:33 am
Quote from: "John"

I would suggest rounded corners (easy take 4 seconds) and saving it as a gif with a lossy of 10 or so, you can probably shave this file down to about 11k and not notice quality loss (in its present state)


OK. I've tried taking some of John's suggestions. I also really like the "openness" of the existing logo, which was sorely lacking in my previous attempts.

So here's my most recent efforts:

(http://www.webbwerks.com/cmlogo5.gif)
(http://www.webbwerks.com/cmlogo5a.gif)
(http://www.webbwerks.com/cmlogo5b.gif)
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on November 12, 2003, 08:20:27 am
Time to start a competition... I'll start it on next weekend. Ladies and Gentlemen: last submissions, please... :wink:

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: John on November 13, 2003, 02:40:37 am
(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine_camera.gif)

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine_camera_bw_spl.gif)

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine_camera_green_spl.gif)

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine_camera_red_spl.gif)

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine_camera_yel_spl.gif)

(http://aussierats.net/img/coppermine_No_camera.gif)

lots of coloured cameras.

Call me slack but thats about as advanced an image i can be bothered to make :)

If anyone wants the psd they can have it
Title: Final Logos
Post by: libelle on November 14, 2003, 06:07:04 am
OK. Here's the set:
Full Banner, Half Banner, Quarter Banner, and Button:

(http://www.webbwerks.com/fullbanner1.gif)
(http://www.webbwerks.com/halfbanner1.gif)
(http://www.webbwerks.com/quarterbanner1.gif)
(http://www.webbwerks.com/tiny1.gif)

Photoshop sources are also available.
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on November 15, 2003, 12:25:43 am
@Sogeri: what happened to your submissions - the image links are down...
Could you zip them up and send them to me?

Thanks

GauGau

[edit]I managed to restore them, no need to send them again[/edit]
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on November 15, 2003, 12:38:12 pm
[size=18]OK, the competition has started: see http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=1611

GauGau[/size]
Title: Coppermine Logo
Post by: photosltd on November 20, 2003, 06:32:30 am
Hello Guys, :D
I just thought Id throw this up for you. Anywho Good Luck PhotosLtd.com
 (http://photosltd.com/image/copper.gif)[/img]
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: Joachim Müller on November 20, 2003, 06:54:47 am
Thanks for your submission; I moved your posting to this thread and also added your banner to the logo competition (http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=1611)

GauGau
Title: Logo & Logo Design
Post by: eke on November 28, 2003, 07:29:41 pm
hmmm

another logo competition.. i'll chip in some drafts next week.
just finished the hydrogenaudio.org logo submissions (http://www.ihad.de/ha.htm) :D

400x80 is a standard size for banners but you can of course use any size you want...

I also would make sure it integrates well into the background, i.e. borderless, just my personal preference.

anyway. i'll make something over the weekend.

cheers
eke.

portfolio @ www.ihad.de