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Support => Language Specific Support => Topic started by: Joachim Müller on December 05, 2004, 02:01:30 pm
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The "official" language of the coppermine boards is English (simply because it has become the "universal" language), with the only exception to this rule being the board "Language Specific Support": we started it as an experiment only recently, with a sub-board dedicated to coppermine support in french. The reason for not having support boards in other languages besides french is quite simple: so far, nobody has volunteered to moderate such a sub-board.
- If you think you're familar enough with coppermine,
- if you speak both english and the other language you're requesting a language specific sub-board for and
- if you're interessted to become a moderator on the language-specific sub-board
you're welcome to reply to this thread, offering your help (please do not just request that a sub-board in your language should be started if you're only looking for support; you should be able and willing to actually give support instead).
Please understand that the "regular" supporters and dev team members from the overall board (the English board) will not visit the language specific support board(s) - simply because they can't understand what is going on there.
Joachim
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Hi Gaugau,
i propose to be moderator in the language specific board. I'm willing to give help in the languages i speak or understand, besides French and English (Spanish, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and Russian). I don't think that it's worth creating subboards for these languages, though.
I think that this is the only way to estimate the needs in language specific help. No moderator will volunteer if nobody has ever asked a question in his language.
Two facts are important to bear in mind:
1) many people on this planet do not speak English at all
2) many people speak a very elementary English which is not sufficient to describe their problem with coppermine
Sometimes it's easier to help folk who can express their problem properly in their language than poorly in English...
We might consider this as an experience and see where it goes. If no other contributor shows up, we stop the experience because i won't have time to take care of all this.
cheers!
== Olivier
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I removed permissions for "regular" users to start new threads in the root of "coppermine.sourceforge.net | Support | Language Specific Support" - they can only reply to existing threads now. We've discussed this a long time ago (on the old board) - I agree and understand that people prefer to ask questions in their native language, but if they don't even speak english good enough to post their question in most basic english, they proably won't have been able to read the docs neither, which is a pre-requisite imo. Everybody should at least try to be part of the solution, and if it's only the effort to come up with a question in a language they don't speak so well. There are other dev team members who speak other languages besides english, but imo the effort for one supporter to maintain multiple languages is just to great to waste resources having identical questions being answered in more than one language. It's very honorable of you to propose support of even more languages, but I can see the potential danger of the language specific board being abandoned sooner or later for the same reason the "Coppermine for CMS" support board was abandoned: there were just to many takers and no givers.
Bottom line is: I'd prefer to have sub-boards for each language that actually is supported, so if you volunteer to support spanish as well, I will create a sub-board for this purpose too (and of course for any other language you or anybody else is ready to maintain). Maybe we should move this discussion to the closed dev board, as I will of course respect a decision made by the team: if the team decides to allow all languages, I will of course set the permissions accordingly.
Joachim
P.S. You already have moderator status on the "Language Specific Support" board ;) (you had it in the first place)
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Also, we have never said people who struggle with english cannot post in there own language. We have advised such users to post in their attempt at english, with their own language underneath. We also asked anyone replying in that language to post the english translation as well.
This has the benefit that english speaking supporters, who understand what is being asked, can reply in english as well.
ps, the French board seems to be going well.
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i can help moderate a chinese board, traditional chinese specifically but doesn't matter. it's better now to have one board for both versions. thanks
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@CapriSkye: I created a Chinese sub-board (http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?board=39.0). Please let me know if you want me to edit the title/description. Thanks for your readiness to help.
Joachim
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will you please change 台灣 to 中文
some people will get mad... ;D
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did as you requested ;D - changed
台灣
to中文
What does 台灣
mean? Is it an insult ;D? Politically incorrect?
Joachim
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it means taiwan, i didn't actually mean that people will get mad, it's just that people from china probably don't want to see the name taiwan here :)
instead use 中文 would be better, it means Chinese. ;D so people from china and taiwan will be both be happy.
thanks gaugau
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@Gaugau: yes, you're right, that would be a waste of time to have people asking the same questions over and over again in all the languages of the world :D.
@Casper: i wasn't aware of that policy of double language (i didn't read the sticky posts, shame on me!). That seems to address the concerns i had. It would be great to have that possibility emphasised when people experience difficulties to describe their problem because of the language.
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CapriSkye: then would it be wise to change the chinese chars in the language drop down from "Chinese-Big5 (台灣)" and "Chinese-GB2312 (中国)" to "Chinese simplified (中文 - 简体)" and "Chinese traditional (中文 - 繁體)" as seen on the Firefox page (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/all.html)?
Joachim
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i think it'd be better to make the change, since big5 isn't limited to taiwan only, i believe hong kong uses big5 too.
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;D luckily most dutchies can speak and write english fairly good :D
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If it'll be useful...
My english is not so good, but I understand Coppermine and can provide russian-language support if needed...
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so you're suggesting to start a russian-sub board with you as moderator? I'm fine with this idea - please post, how the sub-board should be labelled - would "Русский" be OK?
Joachim
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Yes, "Русский" is ok! :)
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Created a russian sub-board as suggested. Good luck with it - please let me know if you need administrative help on it.
Cheers
Joachim
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Thanks GauGau! :)
But I have a little problem: board uses ISO-8859-1 character coding, and cyrillic characters are represented as
Добро etc. It is not critical in message body, but the topic title is truncated to 100 symbols and I see "Добро пожаловат&" instead "Добро пожаловать на русскоязычный форум!" ???
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hm, not sure what to do about this, except to replace truncating with allowing less chars. Any other ideas?
Joachim
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Sadly, MySQL varchar field has only 255 characters maximum lenght... :(
But I have some ideas... I now have SMF installed on my server and try to write some mod to fix this problem: for example, it may be on-the-fly unicode conversion or board-dependent charset selection, I need to make some experiments with this :)
If it will be done and working smoothly, can you install it? Imho, it'll be useful else for Chinesian board and any other language-specific boards in future...
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please post more details on a separate thread - did you take a look into the devel version, which changed the handling of languages to have utf-8 be the default encoding?
Joachim
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Bottom line is: I'd prefer to have sub-boards for each language that actually is supported, so if you volunteer to support spanish as well, I will create a sub-board for this purpose too (and of course for any other language you or anybody else is ready to maintain).
GauGau, if it helps, I also can provide support in a Spanish Forum. I'm certainly not a code expert, but with all the basic stuff I can be of help to spanish-speaking users.
If "abandonment" is your concern, lets try a few weeks... to see if there are enough spanish questions to be answered.
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OK, thanks for volunteering. Everybody welcome our newest language supporter Joel on "his" sub-board for the spanish-speaking community: Español (Spanish) (http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?board=55.0)
Joachim
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Joel,
there have been several support requests on the spanish sub-board so far; you have answered none of them. Did you abandon the idea of moderating the spanish support board?
Joachim
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Apparently Joel abandoned support, so I'm again locking the spanish language support board.
Joachim
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I have not see anyone volunteering to support a sub-forum for vietnamese. If you need me to support the vietnamese language, I am ready for it. Just let me know when you're ready :).
Thanks,
Lett
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hmmm... I haven't really seen much demand for Vietnamese support, but it might be one of those situations where there is no demand because the option is not available...
In the meanwhile, could you do support in English? It would help us out and give us a chance to see your qualification to do support.
Thank you for offering. :)
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Sure, I can do any kind of support within my knowledge. Especially in Vietnamese and English :). You can also see my website at www.vietlight.com/gallery/
:).
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hmmm... I haven't really seen much demand for Vietnamese support, but it might be one of those situations where there is no demand because the option is not available...
In the meanwhile, could you do support in English? It would help us out and give us a chance to see your qualification to do support.
Thank you for offering. :)
hmmz, I tried to post some reply to support somebody here but unfortunately an error has occurred:
An Error Has Occurred!
Sorry, you cannot post new topics in this board.
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you should be able to reply to people's requests for support. "Regular" users can't start new threads on this sub-board by design. Start a thread in the "regular" support board, moderators will move if applicable.
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sadly, chtito has disappeared from this forum. He doesn't reply by email neither, so I guess he won't be there to address any issues (especially those that have been brought up on the dev section that need answering, regarding code implementations made to the devel branch). That's why I'm remving moderator powers from his account.
Luckily, the french support board appears to be running well even without chtito, with a lot of good supporters around there (thumbs up, guys).
@chtito: please contact me by PM in case you return
:\'( Joachim
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I have translate coppermine in albanian. Where I can sent the file ???
http://www.albemigrant.com/fotoalbum/
admin@albemigrant.com
anuro
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@anuro, Coppermine's project manager, GauGau, has been away and will return in a few days. He will be the one to take care of this. Just to let you know that you are not being ignored. Thank you for the offer. :)
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I sent anuro a PM that explains what to do. For all who are wondering what to do, please refer to the Translator's Guide (http://www.coppermine-gallery.net/demo/cpg13x/docs/translation.htm) that comes with coppermine. There's a thread that deals with translations: [Help wanted]: Translations for CPG1.3.x (http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=14404.0)...
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I want to translate your software to persian language. and I am a newbie but as I experience I do not mind to handle a support forum
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I need help how to get my Coppermine to finnish??? I am helpless :-O
The problem is that i use normally the German version, but the users who are coming to see my gallery, are mostly Finns and I really can´t help myself how i can put my gallery to Finnish? I haven´t found a tool, cause within the language settings Finnish is not found!
pliiiiiissssss help :-)))
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@darakhshan: please refer to http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=20355.0
@satumaa: fix your keyboard, there seem to be some stuck keys. After that, go to the same thread I refered to above
@everyone: it's very sad that I have to lock down all sticky threads, because some people just don't understand what they're meant to be used for....
This particular thread is for opening or closing language-specific sub boards, nothing else. From now on, all unrelated questions posted as a reply to this thread (e.g. issues about coppermine translations or similar) will be deleted without further explanation. So unless you're absolutely sure that your question is meant to go into this thread, don't reply to it.
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Maybe a SubBoard to the Portuguese Language (Brasil / Portugal / some African places) will be very useful.
There are many people in this countries need a specific language support.
I am a voluntary to help this comunity in this sub-board.
Thanks
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please see my reply http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=30010.msg138827#msg138827 - the same thing applies to a portuguese sub-board.
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Split support request to http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=32638.msg151778#msg151778 - this is not a support thread.
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I finished the translation in albanian and I am testing. But, I have a problem and I don't know if somebody can give me one idea how to fix it. I translate all the file and everithing it's OK but somme words on the test gallery apear in English. If I change the words in english.php the problem is over but this is not the best resotution. Some body know how to fix the problem?
You can see that in my gallery that "Home" and "config" are in English.
http://test.albemigrant.com/album_test/
AN
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This is not the proper sub-board to discuss translation issues - check the translation threads on the announcements board. Hard to say what's wrong without seeing the actual file. Why don't you do as suggested in the translator's guide and post on the translation thread (http://coppermine-gallery.net/demo/cpg14x/docs/translation.htm) that deals with your coppermine version, attaching your beta language file to your posting?
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I am testing the file... but there is it...
AN
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Anuro, please do as I suggested: this thread here is not meant to be used for translation issues. You're meant to post your version in the official translation thread "[Help wanted]: Translations for CPG1.4.x (http://forum.coppermine-gallery.net/index.php?topic=20355.0)".
As you failed to post the disclaimer is suggested to go with an experimental language file, I couldn't split your posting from this thread and merge it with the translation thread. We welcome your contribution, but please don't make it so hard for us by cluttering unrelated threads and causing a lot of moderation effort. No need to reply here, just reply to the thread I refered to in this posting.
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Hello.
I have the latest version of Coppermine Gallery on my site and I was trying to update the old Albanian language with the new one.
When I try it thoug it brings me a sort of error and I can't figure out what the problem is.
Im posting the file here and if somone can have a look at it and tell me what the problem is that will be great.
I'm trying to finalize that language and post it here so any help is apriciated.
The error that I'm having is:
Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING, expecting ')' in /tgal/lang/albanian.php on line 577
Thanks
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Oh, come one: as I said previously, this is not a support thread! It's because of people like you who don't respect board rules and fail to even read the thread they reply to that we have to lock sticky threads like this one, subsequently disallowing legitimate replies to this thread. I repeat: this thread is not meant for questions on language files. It is meant to discuss the sub-boards of this board.
I'm finally locking this thread (*sigh*). Start a new thread on the proper support board after having read the docs and searched for your issue.